Dead Presidents

Historical facts, thoughts, ramblings and collections on the Presidency and about the Presidents of the United States.

By Anthony Bergen
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Posts tagged "Bill Clinton"
Asker kray814 Asks:
I know this not going to happen but let's say hypothetically when Hilary runs in 2016, will she able to select Bill Clinton to be her VP? I know the 12th amendment says he can't be VP but the 22nd amendment kind of contradicts that.
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

I don’t believe that the 22nd Amendment contradicts the 12th Amendment at all. The 22nd Amendment instituted term limits while the 12th Amendment defined the eligibility requirements for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency, noting that “no person Constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.”

There are some who argue that the 22nd Amendment only means that someone who has served two-terms as President can’t be elected President, but that it doesn’t prohibit a former two-term President from assuming the Presidency another way, such as succession via the Vice Presidency. Perhaps the literal meaning of the 22nd Amendment can be interpreted as only restricting a former two-term President from being elected President again, but that doesn’t abrogate the 12th Amendment.

For someone who has served two-terms as President to even become Vice President and possibly succeed to the Presidency (as those who believe it is possible suggest), that former President would have to either be elected to the Vice Presidency or appointed to the Vice Presidency in the case of a vacancy in the office. Well, the 12th Amendment pretty clearly states (in my opinion) that anyone Constitutionally ineligible to be President (such as someone who has already served two terms) is ineligible to be Vice President. So, that person is prohibited from being elected Vice President, too.

So, what about a term-limited President being appointed to fill a vacancy in the Vice Presidency? First of all, that nominee would have to be confirmed by a majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, so that’s an obstacle for someone whose eligibility is supposedly up-in-the-air Constitutionally. Secondly, the last sentence of the 12th Amendment — the one dealing with this aspect of Presidential eligibility only says, "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Those who argue that the 22nd Amendment leaves an opening for a term-limited President to possibly become President through succession are relying on a strictly literal interpretation of the 22nd Amendment. If that is how they interpret the Constitution, the 12th Amendment would also have to be interpreted just as strictly, and it would not only restrict a term-limited President from being elected as Vice President, but it would prohibit that former President from becoming Vice President through any means that anybody could come up with. Take a look at that sentence from the 12th Amendment in boldface print above. If we use that strict interpretation of it and define it literally, word-for-word, it says nothing about “election” or “appointment” or “service”. It flat-out says, in language that has much more clarity than just about anything else in the Constitution, that nobody can be Vice President if they are ineligible to be President.

Listen, I’d love more than anything to see Bill Clinton back in the White House, and not just as First Gentleman, but I don’t see any possible way that the 12th Amendment or 22nd Amendment should or could be interpreted to allow a term-limited President to become Vice President in any manner whatsoever. Nothing in the 22nd Amendment abrogates the 12th, contradicts anything in the 12th, or gives any aspect of the 12th a new or different meaning.

Incidentally, if Hillary could appoint Bill as her Vice President, there would be a habitation clause issue that could either challenge their eligibility or cause easily avoidable problems in the Electoral College. Every Electoral vote counts and no candidate wants to risk giving up any more Electoral votes than they need to. If Hillary was allowed to name Bill as her running mate — and, again, she totally can’t, no matter what some people argue — electors from New York wouldn’t be able to cast Electoral ballots for both Hillary and Bill. The 12th Amendment prohibits Presidential electors to cast both of their votes (one for President and one for Vice President) for candidates who have the same state residency. While the electors of the other 49 states could cast both ballots for Hillary and Bill, the New York electors would have their votes disqualified for violating the 12th Amendment if they did so. No party, ticket, campaign, or candidate is going to risk losing a single Electoral vote, especially when it’s 100% unavoidable such as in this case, and New York has 29 Electoral votes in play during a Presidential election.

And, even if they overcame all of these Constitutional obstacles — which they couldn’t because I’m not the smartest guy in the world, I’ve never studied law, and I’m not exactly a Constitutional scholar, but even I am not confused by the wording or clarity of these guidelines — they have one more roadblock. In 1961, John F. Kennedy appointed his brother, Bobby Kennedy, to serve as his Attorney General and as a member of his Cabinet, which led to claims of nepotism. In 1967, a law was passed that states:

A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual.

And defined a “relative” as:

“relative” means, with respect to a public official, an individual who is related to the public official as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, or half sister.

Now, this law is a bit more vague than the 12th Amendment and 22nd Amendment because it’s not clear whether “a public official” includes a major party nominee for the President who has not yet been elected or whether selecting a running mate would be considered appointing, employing, promoting, advancing, or advocating for appointment, employment, promoting, or advancement, but it sounds like it would be a struggle. And, guess what? Even if they still overcame all of the Constitutional questions and Electoral College issues and potential problems with the nepotism law, there would still be a Joint Session of Congress in which the Electoral College results would need to be certified and that would present yet another opportunity for their eligibility to be challenged, which I imagine it most certainly would be since, as I’ve mentioned a few times in this post, Bill Clinton would definitely be Constitutionally ineligible to be elected Vice President, be appointed Vice President, serve as President, or even sneak into the Vice President’s office sit down at the VP’s desk and pretend to be Vice President.

So, no, it couldn’t happen, and even if it could there would be so many potential roadblocks — not even Constitutionally, but just politically — that they would be dumb to even attempt it.

BILL CLINTON

42nd President of the United States (1993-2001)

Full Name: William Jefferson Clinton (Born: William Jefferson Blythe III)
Born: August 19, 1946, Julia Chester Hospital, Hope, Arkansas
Political Party: Democratic
State Represented: Arkansas
Term: January 20, 1993-January 20, 2001
Age at Inauguration: 46 years, 149 days
Administration: 52nd and 53rd
Congresses: 103rd, 104th, 105th, and 106th
Vice President: Albert Arnold “Al” Gore, Jr.
Died:
Age at Death:
Died:

2012 Dead Presidents Ranking: 10 of 43 [↑1]

Ask many of those Republicans who called for Bill Clinton’s impeachment or fought against so many of the Clinton Administration’s achievements whether they miss Bill Clinton today and I think they’ll tell you “Yes!”.  Were we better off during the Clinton Administration?  Absolutely.  Was Bill Clinton a talented political leader?  Definitely.  If not for the Twenty-Second Amendment would Bill Clinton either still be President or running for President today?  I would hope so, and considering Clinton’s reputation for being endlessly energetic, I can’t imagine him sitting on the sidelines if he could be in the game.  Many Americans in 2014 would have to look up the definition of a “budget surplus” to understand what it is.  We enjoyed three straight budget surpluses during the Clinton Administration.  Even when he was being impeached and on trial in the Senate, his approval ratings were high, and no President’s approval ratings were higher upon leaving office.  A decade without Clinton in the White House has done more than anything to make us miss having Clinton in the White House. After the 2016 election, we very may well have another Clinton in the Oval Office — and an exceedingly brilliant and capable one — if finally Hillary shatters that glass ceiling and wins the Presidency. But no matter how good Hillary might be (and I believe she’ll be fantastic if elected), she might not even be the best President sleeping in her bedroom because, as the years pass and she is in the midst of building her own legacy (if elected), Bill Clinton’s Presidency will continue to be remembered as a time of prosperity that millions of Americans remain nostalgic for. Bill Clinton’s personal failures and flaws may have been embarrassing to him, humiliating to his family, and uncomfortable for the American people, but the fact that Americans crave a leader like him in the White House is a testament to his skill as a politician and the strength of his Administration’s achievements.

PREVIOUS RANKINGS:
1948: Schlesinger Sr./Life Magazine:  Not Ranked
1962: Schlesinger Sr./New York Times Magazine:  Not Ranked
1982: Neal/Chicago Tribune Magazine:  Not Ranked
1990: Siena Institute:  Not Ranked
1996: Schlesinger Jr./New York Times Magazine:  20 of 39
2000: C-SPAN Survey of Historians:  21 of 41
2000: C-SPAN Public Opinion Poll:  36 of 41
2005: Wall Street Journal/Presidential Leadership:  22 of 40
2009: C-SPAN Survey of Historians:  15 of 42
2010: Siena Institute:  13 of 43
2011: University of London’s U.S. Presidency Centre:  19 of 40

John [F. Kennedy] was great, but all John had was the press. He was still an elitist; he didn’t like the rope line. This guy [Bill Clinton] loves the rope line — and the rope line loves him.
Gerald Ford, on the differences between John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton
If you’ve ever had an ego problem, don’t travel with President Clinton to the Maldives. It was like traveling with a rock star: ‘Get out of the way, will you? Clinton’s coming!’ It was terrible.
George H.W. Bush, joking about traveling overseas with Bill Clinton for tsunami relief efforts, at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, October 5, 2006
I always thought Bush was a good politician. I never thought he was dumb. There’s a difference between not knowing certain things and being dumb. But I never bought that. Not ever, not for a minute. I never believed it…[Bush has] an intuitive intelligence…[Bush’s political adversaries must] oppose what he is doing rather than ridicule him. I loved it when the Right ridiculed me. When you ridicule someone, you underestimate them.
Bill Clinton, on George W. Bush

Recently, I wrote about how I dislike doing rankings of the Presidents because it always is the catalyst for a lot of whining, complaining, and annoying comments from readers who disagree or think I am a hack.  Performance rankings are also difficult to do because history is always-evolving.  However, I’ve decided to rank something that is much more important than job performance.  I’ve decided to take the time to give my expert opinion — after years and years of deep study — to this very specific aspect of history which affects all of us each and every day.

So, without further ado, here are the Top 5 examples of Presidential Facial Hair in American History:

5.  JEFFERSON DAVIS

And we’re already off to a controversial start!  Jefferson Davis was an American President.  I understand he wasn’t President of the United States.  People mention this to me everytime I call him an “American President”.  Guess what, I’ve been studying the Presidents for a long time; I know which ones were Presidents of the United States.  Anyway, Jefferson Davis rocked the coolest goatee of any President — United States, Confederate States, Texas, Bear Flag Republic, Continental Congress, wherever — in American History.  Abraham Lincoln wasn’t the only President with a beard during the Civil War!  Davis also gets bonus points because, as an old man, he grew his goatee into a white Van Dyke that should be a requirement for all retired Southern statesmen.

4.  YOUNG BILL CLINTON

Please try to divert your attention from the former Secretary of State’s gigantic glasses.  Hillary’s glasses were so big in the 1970s that she was able to see into the future and yell at Bill for cheating on her.  As for Bill, the beard alone wouldn’t be as impressive as the beard of Rutherford B. Hayes or James Garfield, but the combination of Clinton’s beard and his lion’s mane of hair gives him this coveted spot on the list.  Sure, Bill, we know you didn’t inhale…there weren’t any potheads who looked like this in the 70s.  Interesting historical note:  this photograph captures the only two people who voted for George McGovern in 1972.

3.  MARTIN VAN BUREN

They called him the “Red Fox of Kinderhook”, but Martin Van Buren looked like a mad scientist.  When facial hair was out of style and before sideburns got their name (from Civil War General Ambrose E. Burnside, who popularized the look), the 8th President of the United States possessed side whiskers that looked like they were styled with jolts of electricity.  Van Buren was considered a “dandy” by many fellow politicians of his day, but his fashionable clothing, expensive jewelry, and fancy gloves often seem mismatched with facial hair that resembled solar flares.

2.  WOLVERINE…I MEAN, YOUNG THEODORE ROOSEVELT

How can you not love Theodore Roosevelt?  He looks like one of the X-Men!  A century before Marvel Comics apparently stole his image for a superhero, Theodore Roosevelt roamed the Badlands, herded cattle, hunted buffalo and horse thieves, and boxed for fun.  “That damned cowboy”, as Mark Hanna would later call him, would eventually clean up and grow a normal-looking mustache but as a young man, TR looked every bit the Rough Rider that he wanted so much to be.  With age and higher office, Roosevelt would resort to nice suits and his pretentious pince-nez glasses.  That came after his Spanish-American War successes in Cuba, but young TR looked like a present-day prisoner at Guantanamo.

1.  CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR

Let’s not kid ourselves, my fine readers.  There could only be one winner for best Presidential facial hair and that man is Chester Alan Arthur, 21st President of the United States.  Arthur was a trendsetter in fashion — an owner of over 80 pairs of pants who changed clothes several times a day.  Any Mount Rushmore of Presidential facial hair must feature Arthur in the Washington position.  Those aren’t “whiskers” or “sideburns” — those are MUTTON CHOPS.  And they are monumental.  Lemmy from Motörhead wakes up every morning, smokes a cigarette, washes down some amphetamines with swigs of Jack Daniels, looks in the mirror, sighs, and a single, solitary tear rolls down his cheek in envy of President Arthur’s facial hair.  Washington is the Father of His Country, Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase, and Lincoln freed the slaves, but Chet Arthur sported the most badass chops in American History.  If you are an aspiring President or an aspiring Wizard of Oz, look no further than Chester Alan Arthur’s facial hair because that’s how legends are made.

Americans like politics. They like us to air our differences because they know we have got to have an honest debate to come to a good answer. But then they also think that debate ought to have limits to it. It keeps us from solving a lot of problems and doing a lot of things that we could have done otherwise. So I think people see George and me and they say, ‘That is the way our country ought to work.’
Bill Clinton, on his close post-Presidential relationship with George H.W. Bush, interview with Michael Duffy, TIME Magazine, December 19, 2005
In the summer of 1983, the governors met in Portland, Maine. Hillary, Chelsea, and I had a great time, getting together with my old friend Bob Reich and his family, and going with the other governors to a cookout at Vice President Bush’s house in the beautiful oceanside town of Kennebunkport. Three-year-old Chelsea marched up to the Vice President and said she needed to go to the bathroom. He took her by the hand and led her there. Chelsea appreciate it, and Hillary and I were impressed by George Bush’s kindness. It wouldn’t be the last time.
Bill Clinton, remembering George H.W. Bush’s kindness to his family shortly after meeting him for the first time during a conference of Governors in 1983, in his autobiography, My Life, 2004
[Barbara Bush] likes to refer to me as her errant son, the black sheep of the [Bush] family. I have always liked and admired President Bush. In the last decade, I have come to love him and the time we share.
Bill Clinton, on his post-Presidential relationship with George H.W. Bush and the Bush Family, 2011
George W. Bush did me one of the great favors of my life. He asked me not once, but twice, to work with his father. We took seven trips together. This man who’d I’d always liked and respected and run against…I literally came to love this man and I realized all over again how much energy we waste fighting with each other over things that don’t matter…He can virtually do no wrong in my eyes, even though every five years he makes me look like a wimp by insisting on continuing to jump out of airplanes.
Bill Clinton, on his close post-Presidential relationship with George H.W. Bush, at a gala honoring Bush at the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C., March 21, 2011

Happy Birthday to George H.W. Bush, the 41st President of the United States, who celebrated turning 90 years old today by parachuting out of a helicopter!

Bush has long promised that he would make his final parachute jump on his 90th birthday. His first jump was involuntarily — he was shot down by the Japanese while on a bombing mission over the Pacific in 1944 during World War II. After leaving the White House, Bush decided to make a jump for fun and did so to celebrate his 75th birthday in 1999. The former President followed that up with parachute jumps for his 80th, 85th, and now 90th birthday.

In 2011, Bill Clinton, who has formed a close, unique relationship with Bush during their post-Presidencies despite being rivals in the 1992 Presidential election, said of the 41st President, “He can virtually do no wrong in my eyes, even though every five years he makes me look like a wimp by insisting on continuing to jump out of airplanes.”

I’ll tell you one thing: he didn’t miss one good-looking skirt at any of the social occasions. He’s got a wandering eye, I’ll tell you that. Betty had the same impression; he isn’t very subtle about his interest…He’s got his eyes wandering all the time…He’s attractive and he’s persuasive, obviously.
Gerald Ford, on noticing Bill Clinton’s penchant for womanizing when he spent time with the Clinton family in Aspen, Colorado
He believed that freedom was a universal value…that people everywhere wished to be free, and…the Cold War would end.
Bill Clinton, statement upon the death of Ronald Reagan, June 6, 2004