Dead Presidents

Historical facts, thoughts, ramblings and collections on the Presidency and about the Presidents of the United States.

By Anthony Bergen
Posts tagged "Barry Goldwater"
Asker hewest1937 Asks:
I Received the book The Invisible Bridge, the fall of Nixon and the rise of Reagan. I was wondering if you have read it or if it's in your not read yet pile?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

I have read Rick Perlstein’s The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan (BOOK | KINDLE) and it is a fantastic book — one of the best books of 2014, in my opinion.

I’ve really liked all three of Perlstein’s books so far. The previous two books, Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus (BOOK | KINDLE), and Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America (BOOK | KINDLE), were damn good reads and I think The Invisible Bridge is even better. Highly recommended.

I would just express the hope that there has been no improvement in Senator Goldwater’s judgment since his predictions of 1964.
Lyndon B. Johnson, when asked about Barry Goldwater’s prediction that Ronald Reagan would win the 1966 race for Governor of California, press conference, November 4, 1966
You know, before we had this meeting I thought Goldwater was just stubborn. Now I am convinced that he is just plain dumb.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, on Barry Goldwater, after meeting with him during Goldwater’s campaign for the 1964 Republican Presidential nomination
Asker Anonymous Asks:
How do you think a JFK vs Goldwater election in 1964 would have gone down? And would LBJ be kept on the ticket?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

JFK would have beaten Goldwater in 1964 — not by the landslide that LBJ won with, but he would have beaten him.

I think that LBJ would have stayed on the ticket.  Historians and Kennedy insiders still argue about this, but my reason for thinking this is the very fact that the fateful trip to Texas that led to JFK’s assassination was really a jumpstart to the ‘64 campaign.  Texas was very important to JFK’s electoral chances, and LBJ was Texas.  Some historians point out that LBJ had become unpopular in Texas during his Vice Presidency, but I just don’t think JFK would have taken that trip and had such a big role for LBJ on that trip (JFK was supposed to stay at the LBJ Ranch on the night he was assassinated) if LBJ was going to be dumped from the ticket.

According to Robert Caro’s most recent volume of The Years of Lyndon Johnson, The Passage of Power, Evelyn Lincoln, JFK’s faithful secretary, says that Kennedy told her — just a few days before the assassination — “I will need as a running mate in ‘64 a man who believes as I do…It is too early to make an announcement about another running mate —- that will perhaps wait until the [1964 Democratic National] Convention.”  She also says that JFK mentioned that he was considering North Carolina Governor Terry Sanford as his running mate, and that President Kennedy emphatically said, “But it will not be Lyndon.”

However, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., a Kennedy aide and eminent historian, wrote that there were no plans to dump LBJ from the ticket and that “The non-existence of any dump-Johnson plan is fully and emphatically confirmed by Stephen Smith [JFK’s brother-in-law].”  Schlesinger wrote that “Johnson’s place on the ticket was not discussed [at the first strategy meeting for the 1964 campaign] on November 13 [1963] because (barring illness or scandal) it was a given.”

Mrs. Lincoln was a loyal public servant and totally devoted to JFK, but I tend to side with Arthur Schlesinger on this one.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
If Barry Goldwater voted for the Civil Rights Act, how would that affect the 1964 election?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

It wouldn’t have changed things.  First of all, LBJ had gained the nation’s confidence in the weeks after JFK was killed by smoothly taking the reins of government and then using his unparalleled political skills to push through a significant amount of legislation that had been mired in Congress during the Kennedy Administration.  If Goldwater had voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it would have just been another vote for Lyndon Johnson’s legislation.

Secondly, Goldwater frightened people with his hawkish speeches and his Conservative agenda.  It wasn’t what the nation wanted in the early-mid 1960s.  At times, Goldwater was out of touch with sections of his own party.  Plus, he wasn’t a very good campaigner — a huge disadvantage due to the fact that he was facing one of the very best.

What is most overlooked about 1964, however, is that the country had just changed Presidents in November 1963 when Kennedy was assassinated and LBJ assumed office.  Whenever we transition from one President to another it is a big change, particularly when it’s a shocking, horrible tragedy like JFK’s assassination.  Electing Goldwater in November 1963 would give America three Presidents in just over a year.  The nation didn’t want that.  It wanted — and needed — stability.  Even Goldwater knew that.  As a political realist, Goldwater recognized that his chanced at the White House in 1964 was pronounced dead as soon as John F. Kennedy was.  At no point after Kennedy’s assassination did Goldwater realistically think that he would be elected President in November 1964.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
Battle of the Extremeists! Barry Goldwater vs. George McGovern! You obviously vote for McGovern, but who wins? (This can take place in either 1968 or today.)
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

I think Goldwater would have had a better chance in 1968 than 2012, but I don’t know if I can envision a scenario where Goldwater could ever win 270 electoral votes.  McGovern, I believe, would have an easier time today because what he was in 1972 was really a sneak peek at what the Democratic Party would become in the 1990’s until now.

I will say this about Barry Goldwater — while he certainly scared the crap out of a lot of people in 1964, there were a lot of other factors that played a big role in LBJ’s landslide victory.  When people went to the polls in November 1964, they did so less than a year after JFK’s assassination.  With everything going on in the world, there was a hunger for political stability and LBJ offered that.  Americans didn’t want to have three different Presidents in a span of less than 15 months.  Even Goldwater knew that.  He went into that 1964 campaign knowing that JFK’s assassination had all but guaranteed that Goldwater was fighting a losing battle.

Don’t get me wrong.  LBJ’s effective assumption of the Presidency and his efficiency in working with Congress to get things accomplished from November 22, 1963 until November 3, 1964 also had a lot to do with the landslide.  And Goldwater was too extreme for a lot of Americans.  But the 1964 election would have been far closer had John F. Kennedy been seeking a second term against Barry Goldwater.  Kennedy would have won, but there’s no way he would have won 61% of the popular vote like LBJ did in 1964.

1964 Lyndon B. Johnson television ad (via the Living Room Candidate)

The greatest political ad of all-time — the “Daisy” ad, which only aired once because it is so incredibly fucking terrifying that one showing was enough to frighten Americans into thinking that a Barry Goldwater Presidency would basically result in a nuclear holocaust and the destruction of the world.  If you’re wondering how to win a Presidential election in 60 seconds, just press play.

There are a lot of things that we never want to hear our President say, but LBJ made sure to waste no words or soften his stark declaration: "We must love each other, or we must die."  Not exactly “Change you can believe in” or “compassionate conservatism”, is it? 

Have I mentioned that LBJ was awesome?