Dead Presidents

Historical facts, thoughts, ramblings and collections on the Presidency and about the Presidents of the United States.

By Anthony Bergen
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which president have better humor sense, lincoln or obama?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

I’m not sure it’s possible to answer this one.  Unfortunately, we don’t know the extent of Lincoln’s sense of humor because we have no video or audio of him and there wasn’t a White House Correspondents Dinner or anything in the 1860s.  We can guess about it since we know he enjoyed jokes and to tell his funny stories to folks (sometimes over-and-over-and-over again!), but it’s not like there is some sort of instrument to measure and compare the senses of humor of two people.  

Plus — and we don’t know this for sure, either, so it’s just a wild guess — I think Lincoln and Obama are probably funny in different ways.  Lincoln seemed to have a story for everything, loved to hear a good joke and was always ready to tell one of his own, was self-deprecating about his height and his looks, and enjoyed reading many of the comedic writers of his day.  Obama’s humor is probably not as goofy or silly as Lincoln supposedly could be, but President Obama has great comedic timing.  Those White House Correspondents Dinners can be awkward with Presidents who might have funny speeches written for them but lose a little on the presentation because they aren’t used to the rhythm of comedy (I’m looking at you, President Clinton!).  Obama has a great delivery when he’s trying to be funny.              

Let’s not forget that Reagan was a pretty funny guy, too.  He and JFK had really quick wits and funny little quips.  They also had good comedic timing and delivery, especially Reagan, although I guess being a professional actor helped with that.  George W. Bush could be funny at times, too, but didn’t have too many opportunities to let loose during his Administration since the world happened to go to hell for eight years.                                                                                                     

I’m very excited today thanks to a load of books that arrived in the mail, and what I’m really stoked about is that one of the books is an Advance Uncorrected Proof of the first major biography in about 80 years about John Hay, who is an incredibly fascinating figure from history.

John Hay got his start in politics as one of Abraham Lincoln’s two young private secretaries (alongside John G. Nicolay).  Few people knew Lincoln better and nobody worked closer with Lincoln than Hay and Nicolay.  After Lincoln’s death, Hay and Nicolay collaborated on a massive 10-volume biography of the Great Emancipator.  Over the next few decades, Hay was a conspicuous figure in Washington society and in politics.  He was best friends with Henry Adams, and I can only imagine how awesome and gossipy their conversations were.  President McKinley appointed him as the U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom before bringing Hay home and making him Secretary of State.  Hay was Secretary of State throughout McKinley’s term and, after McKinley was assassinated, under Theodore Roosevelt who he became very close with and continued serving until he died in office in 1905.

Besides his full professional life, his impressive writing career, and his famous friends, Hay also had a pretty damn interesting personal life, as well.  I’ve been looking forward to this new book, All the Great Prizes: The Life of John Hay, from Lincoln to Roosevelt, by John Taliaferro (BOOKKINDLE), for several months now.

I’m pretty hyped to start reading the book, so that’s what I’m going to do RIGHT NOW.  As for you guys, you know that I wouldn’t steer you in the wrong direction, so I think you should check out this new biography of John Hay (the first major book on Hay in EIGHTY YEARS!) from Mr. Taliaferro, All the Great Prizes, when it is released on May 14th!

Asker Anonymous Asks:
You've spoken of your favorite presidential biopics/films at one point, but I'd like to know if you have any least favorites?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

Gore Vidal’s Lincoln: A Novel (BOOKKINDLE) is one of my favorite books, even though it’s actually a historical novel rather than non-fiction.  

However, the film adaptation of the book is not good, to say the least.  Sam Waterston (a real-life Lincoln history buff) isn’t terrible as Abraham Lincoln, but if you see Daniel Day-Lewis as Lincoln and then go back and watch Waterston in the same role, it’s just not fair.

I can’t think of any others off the top of my head, but I’m sure there are a few other stinkers that my brain worked hard to forget about.

Asker birch-grove Asks:
'Team of Rivals' makes reference to the number of past, future and then present Presidents came together for Lincoln's funeral. Was this the most who gathered at one time? You always seem expertly equipped to answer such Presidential trivia!!
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

Well, the thing with Lincoln’s funeral is that it basically happened in 11 different major cities over 20 days, so it wasn’t like all of these past, present, or future Presidents gathered in the National Cathedral for one service like they did for the funerals of President Reagan and President Ford.  For example, former President Buchanan paid his respects at the train depot in Lancaster, Pennsylvania as Lincoln’s funeral train passed through town, 6-year-old Theodore Roosevelt watched from his grandfather’s window in New York City, and former President Fillmore and 28-year-old future President Cleveland waited in line with everyone else and paid their respects in Buffalo.

I’ll work on getting an exact answer for when the most past, present, and future Presidents gathered at the same time in the same place, but it wasn’t Lincoln’s funeral.

Asker robbercar Asks:
Have you seen Lincoln? Did you like it?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

NO!  I’ve been waiting for a theater within 40 miles of me to actually show Lincoln, but that hasn’t happened and I haven’t wanted to drive to St. Louis just to see it.  I think I’m finally going to go to see it tonight, though.  I’m dying to catch the movie.  If I don’t go tonight, I’ll go tomorrow, but I’ll be sure to let you guys know what I think.

Like I said earlier, I’m doing some organizing of the files on my computer and finding some great little photos that I may or may not have previously posted.  Despite what I do, I’ve never really been drawn to political cartoons — even those from what might be the golden age of American political cartoons stretching from the time of Jackson to Lincoln when they were particularly creative and often quite brutal.

However, I’d love a large print of this one.  I forget which newspaper it ran in, but I believe it was published the morning after LBJ died in January 1973.  This print is located in the stairwell leading to the basement restrooms at the LBJ Library in Austin and I never walked past it without wondering if I could pull it off the wall and make it out the door before security tackled me.

Asker andmodern Asks:
Do you know where we can find the text of the speech President Pierce gave from his porch during the Civil War?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

Apparently, the April 19, 1865 edition of the New Hampshire Patriot, but I haven’t been able to track it down.

The most complete account of Pierce’s speech that I’ve been able to piece together over the years, mostly thanks to Dr. Wallner’s Franklin Pierce: Martyr for the Union and Roy Franklin Nichols’ Young Hickory of the Granite Hills is that several hundred residents of Concord, New Hampshire showed up on Pierce’s doorstep at about 9:00 PM the night following Lincoln’s death.  When Pierce asked “What is your desire?”, the crowd told him, “We wish to hear some words from you on this sad occasion.”

Pierce:  “I wish I could address to you words of solace.  But that can hardly be done.  The magnitude of the calamity, in all its aspects, is overwhelming.  If your hearts are oppressed by events more calculated to awaken profound sorrow and regret than any which have hitherto occurred in our history, mine mingles its deepest regrets and sorrows with yours.”

Someone in the crowd accusingly asked “Where is your flag?” because Pierce’s home apparently had no American flag on display, and Pierce was visibly irritated by the demand.

Pierce:  “It is not necessary for me to show my devotion for the Stars and Stripes by any special exhibition, or upon the demand of any man or body of men.  My ancestors followed it through the Revolution…My brothers followed it in the War of 1812; and I left my family, in the Spring of 1847, among you, to follow its fortunes and maintain it upon a foreign soil [in the Mexican War].  But this you all know.  If the period during which I have served our State and country in various situations, commencing more than thirty-five years ago, have left the question of my devotion to the flag, the Constitution, and the Union in doubt, it is too late now to remove it, by any such exhibition as the inquiry suggests.  Besides to remove such doubts from minds where they may have been cultivated by a spirit of domination and partisan rancor, if such a thing were possible, would be of no consequence to you, and is certainly of none to me.  The malicious questionings would return to reassert their supremacy and pursue the work of injustice…I have never found or felt that violence or passion was ultimately productive of beneficent results.”

With that, the crowd supposedly gave the former President three cheers and Pierce went back to bed.  When I finally find the full transcript of Pierce’s speech from that night, I will be sure to share it.

Asker lsquare28 Asks:
Any thoughts on Stahr's book on William Seward? There doesn't seem to be many biographies on the man.
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

I thought it was awesome.  I’ll be giving it a full review sometime soon in AND Magazine, but you’re right about a lack of biographies on Seward, especially in-depth biographies of the magnitude of Walter Stahr’s Seward: Lincoln’s Indispensable Man (BOOKKINDLE).

The title is no exaggeration, either.  Seward was an extremely important figure in American history in the 19th century because Lincoln truly did count on his counsel and rely on his diplomatic skills to keep foreign countries from undermining the war effort by recognizing the Confederate government.  Without Seward in the State Department and Edwin Stanton as Secretary of War, Lincoln would have had a far more difficult time with the non-military affairs of his day-to-day government.  Stahr also tells Seward’s story prior to the Civil War.  Because of his role in Lincoln’s Cabinet, Seward’s earlier life and career tend to be overshadowed, but Seward had played a big role in American life for three decades prior to the war and had come very close to winning the Republican nomination for President in 1856 and 1860.

I highly recommend Seward: Lincoln’s Indispensable Man by Walter Stahr (BOOKKINDLE), and it is available now.

Actually, when I first heard Daniel Day-Lewis as Lincoln, it was pretty much what I’ve always imagined Lincoln sounded like from the descriptions that I’ve read.  The only thing that I don’t hear is the frontier/country accent that Lincoln supposedly had when it came to certain words.  William A. DeGregorio’s The Complete Book of U.S. Presidents features a common description of Lincoln’s voice:

Lincoln spoke in a high-pitched voice with a marked frontier accent, pronouncing such words as get, there, and chair as git, thar, and cheer and saying hain’t for haven’t.

More LINCOLN awesomeness from Steven Spielberg and Daniel Day-Lewis, including the revelation that the movie’s historical accuracy goes so far that Spielberg’s sound guy went to a museum and recorded the actual ticking noise made by one of Lincoln’s pocketwatches so that we will hear the exact same ticking sound from the watch that Abraham Lincoln did 150 years ago.

I’m going to go see this movie so many times when it comes out that it will unquestionably become a little creepy and worrisome for the people who work at the local movie theater.

For four decades, I have lived with dead presidents. I’ve woken up with them in the morning and thought about them when I went to bed at night. I’ve imagined them in their youth, with their families and friends; I’ve thought about the cadence of their speech, their posture and stride. From LBJ and JFK to my current subjects, Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft, I’ve sought to understand the person behind the public figure.

Doris Kearns Goodwin, in her first paragraph of an excellent column, describes my life exactly.  Go read this.  And I need to see the movie NOW.

The latest trailer from Lincoln

I don’t think anybody would be surprised to hear that I would very much like to see this film as soon as possible.  Have they gone ahead and just mailed Daniel Day-Lewis his Oscar, or are they going to actually wait until the awards ceremony next year and pretend that other people are being considered before they give it to him?

Asker Anonymous Asks:
Was Lincoln the first Republican candidate for president? What party was Lincoln before Republican?
deadpresidents deadpresidents Said:

With his victory in 1860, Lincoln was the first successful Republican candidate for President.  John C. Frémont was the first Presidential candidate nominated by the Republicans, but he lost the 1856 election to James Buchanan.

Prior to becoming a Republican, Lincoln was a Whig and that’s the party he was a member of during his one term in the U.S. House of Representatives.  Lincoln’s ties to the Whig Party included major loyalty to Henry Clay and Zachary Taylor.  In fact, two of Lincoln’s most well-received speeches prior to becoming a major national figure were eulogies to those two Whig leaders — a eulogy for President Taylor in Chicago two weeks after Taylor died in office, and a eulogy for Clay in Springfield, Illinois.